23 thoughts on “This wouldnt have happened if he’d been in France”

  1. Aesop did point out a very likely scenario.

    Making a movie, filming the actor shooting. This is often done with the camera at the POV of the actor’s target. Directors are typically next to the camera. Someone screws up and there is a live round up the spout instead of a blank.

    • it’s beyond amazing that entire planets and galaxy’s can be computer generated but not a gun shot. wtf.

      • Of course it can.
        At a cost of thousands of dollars per shot, and it always looks like CGI.

        Or, they can use a 50ยข blank, and just film it, like they have to do anyways.

        Hmm…decisions, decisions, for a low-budget movie.

  2. Libs’ universe is pure fantasy. Everything is liquid. Their genders, morals, sexuality,….everything.

  3. Seems some or all of the crew walked off earlier in the day. That makes anything technical a real can of worms. When you have a fill-in weapons master for Hollywood sets, you often end up with dead actors. Plus, the union seemed to know that a live round was loaded into the gun. Real knowledge, or guessing?

    One of the problems with revolvers on set is that they normally aren’t modified for blank use, since they don’t need to have the action work as it would on an automatic pistol. Unfortunately, the only thing that would help would be a restrictor inside the barrel to prevent a bullet from exiting, but that would make it somewhat hazardous.

    Whoever the replacement gun wrangler is, he is in deep kimchee, along with whoever okayed his hiring, and whoever decided to continue filming after losing their regular production crew. That decision maker may turn out to be Baldwin himself, since he is the director.

    • Baldwin was producer,so in charge. A charge of negligent homocide would be the least charge as multiple failures were his from hiring to firing weapon.

      • Um, no.
        Producers don’t hire armorers.
        UPMs do that.

        And firing weapons happens on movies millions of times, for decades, with zero charges filed.

        So why would you want to charge him with anything, since he didn’t bring an illegal working gun onto the set, nor load it with the illegal live round?

        Now, see if you can guess who did that, in violation of 29 specific firearms and ammunition rules on set.

  4. Covered that. Twice.
    https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2021/10/karma-is-cast-iron-bitch.html
    https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2021/10/repeated-for-emphasis.html

    A movie set is not your house, or the town square, nor is it intended to be.
    You can also put mouse ears on at home, but it doesn’t make your home Disneyland.
    It says a lot about the “gun community” (and not in a good way) that I needed to do the second post.

    TL;DR:
    Cool your jets.
    Wait for the details.
    Enjoy the inevitable fact that Alec Baldwin’s gun has now killed more people than your entire collection probably has, and he’s going to be beaten over the head with that truth until long after he’s dead and cold, even if he was totally morally and legally blameless.

    • Aesop,

      As a current LE firearms instructor and NRA firearms instructor of 20 plus years, the location is mute when it comes to handling of a firearm.
      We teach the cardinal rules of firearms safety apply on and off the range (movie set, public square, your home, and all other places). So, your Disneyland analogy is just off base concerning firearms safety. There are not exceptions, because once you allow it, you have these tragedies!!
      Just the facts, LE have already released along with witness statements indicates at this point, he and the production team violated all four basic cardinal rules. Will he be criminal charge, likely not. Will the production company pay out, yep and heavily!!

      • Will you people just relax. Remember when a VP shot a lawyer? Have any of you noticed a shortage of lawyers? There isn’t going to be a shortage of liberals any time soon. Hurray for Brandon.

      • 3rd Man,
        As someone who only deals with real guns firing real bullets, you therefore have exactly zero experience with the fundamental facts of this case.

        None of the Four Rules apply on set, because no bullets allowed, except in cases so rare they’re unicorns.
        Hollywood has managed to not kill anyone for the last 28+ years, making everything from The Terminator to John Wick, precisely because they use the 79 Rules, which kind of leaves you and Col. Cooper way behind the curve.

        (BTW, in the last 50 years or so, using the 79 Rules, Hollywood has had exactly 3 people accidentally killed. So, just in your state alone, how many people have been accidentally killed using the Four Rules as the guideline? Say, about 20-50 times as many, in any given year, let alone over 5 decades…? So maybe the “Four Rules” plan isn’t working as well as you think it is.)

        The armorer violated 29 of the 79 rules, just with a quick off-the-cuff look at what we know so far.

        Baldwin violated 0.

        That’s why he won’t be criminally charged, while the armorer is likely being fitted for the orange jumpsuit in days.

        She should be horsewhipped, then hung by the neck until dead, but NM laws are pretty weak there.

        • Wrong! Baldwin violated THE MOST IMPORTANT RULE OF ALL HE DID NOT SEE IF THE GUN HE WAS HANDED WAS LOADED II!!!!! My father was a weapons instructor in WWII. You NEVER fail to inspect a weapon. EVEN IF YOU KNOW IT’S NOT LOADED. He always said it’s OK to shoot someone . but not by accident

          • 1) Actors don’t get to crack open weapons, ever.
            2) They only get to watch them loaded for a scene with blanks, which this one wasn’t.
            3) What it probably was loaded with, was dummy rounds, because the shot they were rehearsing was him drawing his pistol and firing it, right at the camera, with a bad guy’s-eye view.
            Which was where the DP and director were, watching the rehearsal on the on-camera viewer.
            So even if Baldwin had checked, as you (mistakenly) think he cold or should have, he would’ve only seen a cylinder full of dummy rounds from the rim-side, which would look exactly like live rounds on a cursory view.
            We can play this game all day.
            “But he should have taken them out of the gun…”
            “But he should have gotten a bullet puller and whacked it on the floor, and made sure they weren’t live rounds, then reloaded them with new rounds…”
            So just stop.
            Actors finger-banging weapons on set is streng verboten. It’s what causes problems, it doesn’t solve them.
            4) Checking the gun on set is the armorer’s entire job and reason for existence, and no one else’s, and the weapon in question should have been double-checked by someone else with her before it ever got to set.
            5) A real gun should never have been brought on set in the first place, so she screwed up before she even got to set with her cart. She should have brought a prop gun totally incapable of chambering a live round, with the barrel mostly plugged, and only loadable with blank rounds or dummy rounds.
            6) Real bullets should never have been brought to the set. (In fact, as they had no permit nor purpose for them, they never should have been within a mile of the entire studio in the first place.)
            7) Or loaded into the gun which shouldn’t have been there in the first place.
            8) Or not marked distinctively, to differentiate them easily from blanks or dummy rounds.
            9) There’s a lot of overlap in the two relevant safety bulletins which dictate the proper handling of prop guns and real ones, and their associated ammunition on set. So I haven’t made a careful analysis of how many specific responsibilities, and do’s and don’ts             the armorer flagrantly and recklessly violated. For Bulletin #2, which concerns live weapons and rounds, she failed 31 separate specific requirements. Bewteen the two Bulletins, there are 79 rules to follow. My SWAG, until I finish counting, is that she broke just about every rule for safe handling of both prop guns, real guns, dummy rounds, blanks, and live rounds there are. Of those 79 rules, she appears to have only followed about 5-10 of the 79.
            Baldwin violated none, that I can see.
            this is because the rules specifically place the overwhelming burden of firearms safety on the prop master or armorer, whose business is props, including weapons; and virtually none on the actor, whose sole business is acting.
            10) Knowing that, see if you can guess who’s at fault here.

            Your training is with real guns which fire real rounds which are designed to kill people.
            prop guns fire no rounds, and are designed not to harm anyone, ever.

            Thus all your experience is wholly irrelevant to what happened on the set.
            If movies and TV were supposed to use real guns instead of weapon look-alikes, you’d have something to compare their actions to. But they don’t do that, so you’re mistaking what Hollywood does, with reality.

            Following the 79 Rules, Hollywood hasn’t killed anyone accidentally with a weapon in 28+ years.
            Breaking almost every one of those rules, one grossly incompetent rookie armorer killed someone in just 12 days.

  6. repeat of the brandon lee scenario. director wants frontal shot of revolver, demands bullets instead of empty holes. jackleg armorer takes powder out of live round puts bullet back in. leaves primer, assumes actor won’t pull trigger. actor does, small pop, no biggie. jackleg loads full power blanks for the shootout scene, not knowing the primer strike sent the bullet into the barrel. quiet on the set, action,bang, oops, cut! baldwin will go down for it, not as the shooter but the producer that cut corners and hired a jackleg non-union armorer. there were supposedly previous “misfires” on set.

    • Penn and Teller are famous for the bullet catch using the same scenerio(9mm,no powder,primer) with just enough energy to break a sheet of glass. Observed close up(on stage,examined round before firing,checked glass for squibs,hidden bullet in mouth) it was real.
      Just remember when Dick Cheney shot his hunting partner,no repercussions,message loud and clear.

  7. Regardless of who the armorer is, the way I see it (and more than likely the cops and/or jury), the ultimate responsibility rests with the person that pulled the trigger. The gun should have been examined by Baldwin.

  8. can be computer generated but not a gun shot. wtf.

    –CGI costs money and time, and time is money too. You don’t go to New Mexico with a local crew if you want to spend money.

    Hollywood knows how to do guns with a reasonable amount of safety, at least they did, and in the old days the actors, especially on a film with hard men, would have had familiarity with guns.

    They were not in Hollywood. There’s a lot of talent outside of Hollywood, but the little film production centers are often still developing crews, and doing things ‘quick and dirty’ outside of the watchful eye of people who learned their lessons the hard way.

    nick

  10. Once again, asked and answered, ad infinitum.
    https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2021/10/toldja-so.html
    https://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2021/10/epiphany-no-not-even-if-youve-got-hat.html

    And the metric f**ktons of Derp in the so-called “gun” community over this is absolutely breathtaking.

    1) The gun should never have had live rounds in it.
    2) The weapons handler should have assured this fact.
    3) The weapon shouldn’t have even had blanks in it for a rehearsal.
    4) The weapons handler should have checked to assure that fact too.
    5) The weapon in question was handed to Baldwin by an AD (assistant director) with the assurance that it was “cold”, i.e. empty and unloaded.
    6) The Weapons handler should have checked and double checked to assure this fact as well.
    7) No points for guessing how many of those three strikes the incompetent, inexperienced, non-union, 24-year old female armorer failed to perform.
    TL;DR: That would be all of them.
    8) No official mention has been made officially of earlier allegations that Baldwin was horsing around between takes. It was apparently a planned rehearsal, and the DP and director were watching the on-camera monitor, which is how both were struck (and the 1st assistant cameraman was barely missed) by the single round fired.
    9) The rest of the union camera crew had earlier walked off set because of unsafe conditions on set, including specifically two prior NDs on another day, and had made their concerns about abysmal to non-existent weapons safety procedures known to production supervisors.
    10) It’s an actor’s job to point guns at people, and/or the camera, and pull the trigger. This is apparently exactly what happened. What isn’t supposed to happen is the armorer putting a live round in the weapon.
    10) Based on all available evidence, the armorer was grossly negligent, leading to involuntary manslaughter, and aggravated assault. The manslaughter charge puts Bimbette in line for an 18-month stretch in the NM state prison.
    11) As producer, Baldwin may bear some financial liability for the company’s hiring of incompetent Bimbette.
    As an actor, handed a wrongly loaded, foolishly unchecked, and negligently un-double-checked weapon, he bears exactly zero moral or legal responsibility for the subsequent fatality, other than the horrible karma of being the hand that pulled the trigger on an “empty” gun.
    12) This is the first weapon fatality in Hollywood (by which I mean shorthand for all motion picture and television production in the United States, inclusive) in the 28+ years since Brandon Lee on The Crow. I will give you $1 for every gun club with a safety record that good, if you will give me a dime for each one worse. I promise to enjoy the steak dinners – plural – you’ll be paying for from your largesse upon any such wager.
    13) And don’t even start about “how we do/did it in the military”; the DotMil kills more people accidentally from firearms alone in any year than Hollywood does in any quarter century. Game over.

    This was a tragic accident, which is what happens when, instead of using top-rate and top-notch people, you go to BFNew Mexico, and hire some @$$clown bimbo wannabe who doesn’t know the safety rules written in blood, even though you can find them online for about 0.2 seconds of looking, for free.

    Baldwin can enjoy the karma of having a body count, plus a probable mid-seven figure payout from the inevitable wrongful death civil suit to the victims and family of the deceased. And with any luck, the end of his career, and his rapid fade from public life.

    For those of you hoping for more, contain your disappointment; that alone will have to suffice, unless the final story drastically changes.

  12. When Strembridge Gun rentals was supplying the entertainment industry with firearms years back. Most of their firearms had been modified to chamber only 5 in 1 blanks. Plus the end of the barrels were impeded using a + near the end to make sure nothing but smoke, nothing solid could escape the muzzle.
    Strembridge has been out of business for years. All of their prop guns including some plastic guns that were molded solid but were just for looks. In the Borne Identity the Marines going up the stairs of the Embassy are carrying such guns. I saw one M16 and one Uzi. In the police and military these are blue and used for training.
    As far as Baldwin is concern. Why the lefties in Hornywood even consider this mental defective is beyond me. He failed at radio. Then ended up as a freaking game show host which is one step up from selling used cars.

  13. A terrible and tragic accident. I’ve always been told in both the Military and civilian venues that a gun is loaded until proven unloaded and that when you are handed a firearm you check it, when you pick up a firearm you check it. That whole situation should not have happened. I will not point a finger and lay blame because I was not there. The true chain of events leading up to the shooting may never come to light, too much at risk for too many people. I am saddened by needless waste of a life and the damage to all parties involved, including Mr. Baldwin who will have to live with his actions for the remainder of his life. TTFN

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