Hooey….well, as one comment noted, the Hill People Gear running kit bag is really quite handy for that situation. But I would probably go with one of those steering column holsters if I was truly in the vehicle all the time.
I agree. In a context where open carry is not an issue, I’ve happily worn a drop leg holster for months at a time, and it was very comfortable & functional in vehicles. But if I had my druthers, I’d prefer a full sized pistol mounted somewhere off-body around the driver’s seat. And that wouldn’t stop you from also carrying a subcompact, etc. in your pocket or elsewhere.
Here is the disconnect. Tamara regularly attends training classes for serious professionals.
I meant from not for.
My money is on Aesop.
I knew Tamara when she lived in Knoxville. She is a RKI, but if she knew 1/10th of what she thinks she knows, she would be the smartest person on the planet by far.
She once tried to convince me that 1 brand/load of ammo was ‘more powerful’ than another thru shear force of personality. She gave up when I asked her to show me how 600+ foot pounds was less than 450 foot pounds. Found out later, she was emotionally invested in that brand as she had convinced the store owner to stock it.
On the other hand she was surprisingly knowledgeable about a obscure niche firearm that I know a lot about.
Not Aesop. This last dust up he came off as a insufferable know it all. Bracken started up that way but seems to have moderated his stance. Even though he still believes his ideas, he seems to see others points of view.. Aesop is still slinging garbage everyone is stupid if you don’t see it my way I’m so brilliant. Why should anyone listen to anything he spouts off? Tam does train a lot with top trainers. She goes all over. She puts that training to use. Works for the top trainers, works for her. I would tilt toward her (or those top trainers that taught her).
Holsters and how one carries is a very personal thing. To each his own.
Training is not the issue.
Either a given holster is (as was asserted) or is not (as was counter-asserted) a “dumb idea.” Not “too expensive”. Not “something I prefer not to use”.
But actually just dumb.
It took me about thirty seconds to poke a car-sized hole in the original assertion, by showing multiple non-dumb perfectly reasonable uses for such a rig.
Premise disproven.
Argument over.
I win.
Conclusion: that holster is not a “dumb idea”.
Moral: there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
If I tell you water freezes at 32°F (at standard pressure and sea level altitude, for the engineers in the crowd) it makes f**k-all difference if I’ve done it personally
a)one time,
b) 700 times, or
c) none, but just read about it.
I’m either right, or wrong.
Your opinion matters naught.
Your experience matters naught.
Babe Ruth hit more home runs than anyone for most of the last century.
That didn’t matter if the umpire called him out, did it?
Does babe get to argue he’s not out, because he hit more home runs than that umpire?
No, that would be ludicrous.
If this makes your head hurt, you’re the problem, not the solution.
So appeals to who’s done what more times are pointless. (This is only a problem because formal logic is so alien to most Americans, owing mainly to public school education, and an utter lack of intellectual curiosity.)
When someone makes a true/false statement, they can’t make a mistake.
If someone tells the truth, they’re right. Period.
Even if they’re just quoting the idea.
And when someone asserts a true/false choice is true, and it’s disproven, they lose.
Logic and science aren’t decided upon by consensus, or appeals to (imaginary) authority.
Consensus got you anthropogenic global warming.
Consensus got you the solar system rotating around the earth.
Consensus wants to get you to think men can have periods and deliver babies.
[Hint: Consensus is hogwash. Objective reality is not decided by majority vote.]
The holster in question may be pricey.
It may be ugly.
It may not work for some uses.
It may not be Tam’s first choice, for anything, ever.
Ten people, or ten million people, might agree with her.
None of that matters a damn.
But once I show one non-dumb use for it (as I did, and in fact for several non-dumb choices) it’s no longer a “dumb idea”.
One can walk that back, or deny reality.
But snark won’t carry that argument.
It’s simply got a broken leg, and needs to be put down.
Which was all I suggested.
In this corner, Tam. And in this corner, Aesop.
Hooey….well, as one comment noted, the Hill People Gear running kit bag is really quite handy for that situation. But I would probably go with one of those steering column holsters if I was truly in the vehicle all the time.
I agree. In a context where open carry is not an issue, I’ve happily worn a drop leg holster for months at a time, and it was very comfortable & functional in vehicles. But if I had my druthers, I’d prefer a full sized pistol mounted somewhere off-body around the driver’s seat. And that wouldn’t stop you from also carrying a subcompact, etc. in your pocket or elsewhere.
Here is the disconnect. Tamara regularly attends training classes for serious professionals.
I meant from not for.
My money is on Aesop.
I knew Tamara when she lived in Knoxville. She is a RKI, but if she knew 1/10th of what she thinks she knows, she would be the smartest person on the planet by far.
She once tried to convince me that 1 brand/load of ammo was ‘more powerful’ than another thru shear force of personality. She gave up when I asked her to show me how 600+ foot pounds was less than 450 foot pounds. Found out later, she was emotionally invested in that brand as she had convinced the store owner to stock it.
On the other hand she was surprisingly knowledgeable about a obscure niche firearm that I know a lot about.
Not Aesop. This last dust up he came off as a insufferable know it all. Bracken started up that way but seems to have moderated his stance. Even though he still believes his ideas, he seems to see others points of view.. Aesop is still slinging garbage everyone is stupid if you don’t see it my way I’m so brilliant. Why should anyone listen to anything he spouts off? Tam does train a lot with top trainers. She goes all over. She puts that training to use. Works for the top trainers, works for her. I would tilt toward her (or those top trainers that taught her).
Holsters and how one carries is a very personal thing. To each his own.
Training is not the issue.
Either a given holster is (as was asserted) or is not (as was counter-asserted) a “dumb idea.”
Not “too expensive”.
Not “something I prefer not to use”.
But actually just dumb.
It took me about thirty seconds to poke a car-sized hole in the original assertion, by showing multiple non-dumb perfectly reasonable uses for such a rig.
Premise disproven.
Argument over.
I win.
Conclusion: that holster is not a “dumb idea”.
Moral: there is always more than one way to skin a cat.
If I tell you water freezes at 32°F (at standard pressure and sea level altitude, for the engineers in the crowd) it makes f**k-all difference if I’ve done it personally
a)one time,
b) 700 times, or
c) none, but just read about it.
I’m either right, or wrong.
Your opinion matters naught.
Your experience matters naught.
Babe Ruth hit more home runs than anyone for most of the last century.
That didn’t matter if the umpire called him out, did it?
Does babe get to argue he’s not out, because he hit more home runs than that umpire?
No, that would be ludicrous.
If this makes your head hurt, you’re the problem, not the solution.
So appeals to who’s done what more times are pointless. (This is only a problem because formal logic is so alien to most Americans, owing mainly to public school education, and an utter lack of intellectual curiosity.)
When someone makes a true/false statement, they can’t make a mistake.
If someone tells the truth, they’re right. Period.
Even if they’re just quoting the idea.
And when someone asserts a true/false choice is true, and it’s disproven, they lose.
Logic and science aren’t decided upon by consensus, or appeals to (imaginary) authority.
Consensus got you anthropogenic global warming.
Consensus got you the solar system rotating around the earth.
Consensus wants to get you to think men can have periods and deliver babies.
[Hint: Consensus is hogwash. Objective reality is not decided by majority vote.]
If you need a mental warm-up for this discussion, I once again urge a reading of Michael Crichton’s classic lecture:
Aliens Cause Global Warming
https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf
The holster in question may be pricey.
It may be ugly.
It may not work for some uses.
It may not be Tam’s first choice, for anything, ever.
Ten people, or ten million people, might agree with her.
None of that matters a damn.
But once I show one non-dumb use for it (as I did, and in fact for several non-dumb choices) it’s no longer a “dumb idea”.
One can walk that back, or deny reality.
But snark won’t carry that argument.
It’s simply got a broken leg, and needs to be put down.
Which was all I suggested.