Where there’s a will (and poor impulse control) there’s a way.
I’ve been wanting an original Ruger PC9 for several years now. They discontinued them a few years back and the prices skyrocketed. It was getting to the point that all the ones I found on GunBroker were traveling at an altitude of about $800-1000. This is simply stupid money for a carbine that virtually no one bought when it first came out, is simple blowback, and takes a proprietary magazine for a gun that is most commonly found in gun buyback bins and evidence lockers.
But..I wanted one.
I figured that with the reintroduction of the greatly evolved version of the PC9 the prices for the original ones might go down. It appears they have. This particular carbine, with one soon-to-be-thrown-away USA Brand magazine, was $500. Now, for $75 less I could have bought a brand new Ruger PC9 takedown that takes Glock magazines. So..why this original one? Well, mostly because I’ve a dozen P-series 9mm’s tucked away in the safe and I want a carbine to go with them. I think that two pistols, the carbine, half a case of ammo, a dozen magazines, a couple holsters, a cleaning kit, and some other support gear will fit nicely in a Pelican case to tuck away somewhere for that (very) rainy day.
I still very much plan on getting the new PC9 takedown carbines, especially since they use Glock mags and would therefore make an excellent companion to my Glock pistols. But getting the original carbine was on my list and the opportunity finally came together.
It is interesting to note that despite the small size of the carbine, it is deceptively heavy. Not surprising since it is, basically, just a modern version of the Winchester Model 1907….with a rather large counterweight housed in the forend of the gun. In fact, looking at exploded diagrams between the two, it’s hard not to think someone at Ruger might have played with the 1907 and thought “Time for a reboot”.
By the way, for you youngun’s out there, Marlin also had their hat in the ring with a pistol-mag-compatible carbine…the Camp 9 and Camp 45. The former took S&W mags and the latter took 1911 mags. One guess which model commands big bucks today. They were great guns, with Old-Marlin quality, but had a slight design flaw where, once the plastic buffer at the back of the stock ate itself from use, the reciprocation of the bolt beat the stock to pieces. (Aftermarket buffers are available.) After replacing a ton of stocks under warranty, and with the Assault Weapons ban coming in, Marlin dropped both guns. The 9mm turn up far more frequently than the .45 ACP….people hold onto those things with both hands.
As long as we’re flogging this particular deceased equine, I’ll also point that in the last twenty years we’ve had a handful of other pistol-caliber carbines that took popular(ish) handgun mags…incudingbut not limited to: KelTec, JR Carbine, HiPoint, Spanish ‘Destroyer’, Beretta, a handful of AR-ish 9mms that took Glock mags, and a host of pistol-to-carbine conversions.
But…while some of those are better than the Ruger, none of them take the same magazine as the Ruger…and that’s the bell I was trying to ring.
Nothing wrong with getting that PC9. If I were in your position and had the pistols to match that is an itch I would have scratched.
And besides, I have a weakness for old and oddball guns so I award double points!
Wish s&w would come out with a gun for the 9mm, 40 pistols
I want one too but was discouraged by the price. Maybe now I’ll be able to find one at a reasonable rate. I do have an old PC4, but the 9mm version would be a good one as well. I too have several P-Series pistols. I do believe they may be immortal.
The PC9 looks like a fine addition to anyone’s collection and Ruger makes fine firearms, but the price… When a person can buy a Chiappa M1-9 at half the price and the M1-9 will take Beretta M92 surplus mags, why buy the Ruger?
https://www.chiappafirearms.com/p.php?id=202
When you can buy a Hipoint carbine at half the price and the HiPoint takes cheap HiPoint mags, why buy the Chiappa?
I could take our back and forth from the Uzi thread and paste here. Stuck in my ways I guess, but why buy a PPC when you can get a carbine that shoots rifle caliber? If I carry a carbine I want maximum effect. I know you just like those PCC. I just don’t see a use in my world. Well, some like blondes and redheads.
For me its a logistics issue. The PCC isn’t an alternative to the AR, its for a different role. I want a longarm and pistol that require the smallest logistical footprint possible. To that end, the inerchangeability of ammo and magazines means that I can create a smaller ‘package’ than if I had to tuck away, say, an AK-mags-ammo combination and a pistol-mags-ammo combination.
An AK and an old .38 are a pretty simple logistical footprint and you get a true rifle capability.
Plus if you got a basic AK back when they were $300-400 dollars it’s a pretty cheap but good cache gun.
Point… Commander. 🙂
When Ruger realizes the niche they’re missing, and makes a PC carbine that takes Glock 21 mags, we can talk.
Until than, that Marlin Camp 45 isn’t moving anywhere, and I have a number of spare buffer blocks.
But if/when I can put a Glock and a PC in the truck using the same .45acp mags, the “One riot, One ranger” rule will again apply, and I’ll have my go-to truck toys pre-selected.
Maybe you guys can help. I have an original Kel Tec Sub 9- the all aluminum one. It’s very nice but is in SW 59 configuration, no parts being available for conversion. Do you know of any pistols, other than the SW59 (too big/heavy) or Keltec P11 (just too unreliable) that will run these mags.
I have one and it’s awesome to shoot. I’m thinking about selling it. Not too sure yet