Interesting post over in the Guns community. It lends a bit of validity to my idea that you dont put all your eggs (or guns) in one basket. Fella has a CCW. According to him, he’s walking along at night and gets accosted by a homeless guy with a knife. Our guy puts his hand on the butt of his pistol and tells knifeguy to back off or else. Knifeguy exercises better part of valor…and then calls the cops on CCW guy who gets arrested and then has his house entered by the cops (while he is in custody elsewhere) who then take all his other guns. Heck, you can read it for yourself here:
So, unless this poor guy has some LMI’s who can give him ‘loaners’ or has a separate stash of thundertoys elsewhere he is now gunless. Whats interesting to note is that this was out of nowhere…it wasnt ATF storming the place with tanks, it wasnt the UN and FEMA, it was mutant cannibal zombies. It happened in a non-TSHTF situation..just an average day.
Now, Ive been in this situation and lucked out in that I had buddies who were more than happy to loan me duplicates of what was taken. (Another very good reason for standardization…buddy loaned me a Browning P35 and I still had leather, mags, parts, etc, for it.)
Moral of the story: there doesnt have to be a societal upheaval for the cops to find a reason to get into your home. Once there theyre going to see all that ‘crazy survivalist’ stuff or your ‘assault rifles’ or your ‘anti government literature’ and what started as a dog-bites-child complaint or some other crap is going to become a ‘Local area police discover weapons cache’ sort of thing in the paper.
Resolved: Eggs. Basket. Basket. Basket.
The trick’s finding those LMI’s.
sage advice there, Commander Zero
and with this SAGE advice, you can mix it with breadcrumbs and make a decent stuffing for a roast chicken hee hee hee
A chicken he’ll have after hatching the well-guarded eggs from multiple baskets.
Well, the guy in question didn’t engage in the correct CYA activities after his encounter. But that’s still no excuse for being railroaded like that. Plus it sounds like the mayor is using the incident to further a political agenda, which is also something he’s not responsible for.
Resolved: Eggs. Basket. Basket. Basket.
Important safety tip, that. Still…if you have multiple properties, what’s to keep the police from getting multiple search warrants? “Geez, the guy’s got guns on all of his properties. And did you see those assault rifles we pulled from his cabin? What a lunatic. Good thing we caught him before he blew up a federal building…”
“Still…if you have multiple properties, what’s to keep the police from getting multiple search warrants?”
The trick is to concealing the fact that you have multiple PROPERTIES. If you have the resources to do that, for about $500 more/per you can set up a corporation, & have each property kept in its name, not yours. Nevada, Wyoming and Delaware have the best laws for establishing, and once they are established they can operate in any state. There are companies that specialize in setting these up for you; for more money, they will go even farther in protecting your privacy (all perfectly legal). As long as there is nothing at your residence to show your control of the corporation and/or what the corporation is holding, the authorities will have a far more difficult time finding out about its existence. It is not full proof, but it should (at the very least) give one some lead time to clear out ones property before the ‘jack boots’ arrive.
On a more basic level, there is also caching items away from any property that you control. I am not qualified on how to do this, but I know it is do able. About two weeks ago, I was seeking advice on the survivalist community on how to go about this & was given a couple interesting ideas, and a good book to find on the subject (I’m going to try and find that book next weekend at the gun show).
The only problem from an analytical perspective is that many criminal organizations as well as people looking to hide property prior to some civil suit use such companies for this purpose.
It’s not a bad idea, just if your company is discovered, then it becomes a huge red flag that begs further investigation and none of those comapnies are immune to subpeona or the discovery process of a trial.
Of course, if you have a plan…then things work out better 😉
I agree with all of that.
But doesn’t it seem a shame that it’s come to this? I’m shaking my head and thinking that things are just going to get worse. I truly pity the Americans of two generations from now.
This is true, but it is one more tool worth considering the use of. There are also ways to further harden the strategy (e.g. use of a bearer shares to establish control, hiring lawyers & nominees to further distance one’s name from the corporation, “aging” a corporation well before it is needed, etc.), but it does add to the cost. Of coarse, if one has the means to own multiple properties, these added steps may well be worth it — if only to keep “suite-happy” twits & their lawyers at bay (never mind the jack boots). As you correctly pointed out, though, nothing is full-proof.
Ditto that!
hide it away
what they don’t see, they don’t take. wonder if it was a cop poseing as a homeless person. have encountered many other law enforcement types posing as somebody else to trick you into “commiting a crime” to make promotion points!
But doesn’t it seem a shame that it’s come to this?
The real eye-opener is when you realize that you have to worry about the books on your bookshelf and what people might think when they see them.
Yeah. I don’t buy books of a particular sort through the mail any more. Or on credit cards, even at the Evil Loophole Gun Shows. If I can’t pay cash, I do without.
Luckily, I’ve been at this a while and have a lot of what I need….just not all of what I want.
As for what people see on my bookshelves, they can get a freaking warrant. And by that time, they’ve pretty well made up their mind about me.
And some of the stuff isn’t on the bookshelves: it’s with the gear that it refers to, and a warrant isn’t going to help them. Heh.
Have you had social acquantainces look askance at your library? Oh. Yeah, in Missoula, you probably have. Ah, well: think of it as a conversation starter.
Caching
Paladin has several books on
caching, but I wouldn’t buy it from them unless I could just walk in and use cash. In their position, especially with the Patriot Act in force, they’d pretty well have to barf up your contact info if the feds insist. Sorry, Paladin.
But you can see what books are available, put them on your list and pick them up with cash at the Evil Loophole Gun Show. Me, I figure actual surveillance is unlikely on the printed material for the next while yet….but that might be optimism on my part.
I tend to limit access to my residence…most people I let in the house are already aware of my ideas or are LMI’s themselves. Once in a while a service tech, cleaning crew or someone has to be let in and then i stack other books in front of the spines of the more interesting ones (Principles of Anti ARmour Warfare, Special Forces Handbook, Survival Guns, etc)
Wise move.
I know an FFL who used steel-reinforced cinder block to partition the basement. Then he got a local safe maker to build him a door for it. Apparently, many makers will build you a custom door with standard safe technology for it.
The resultant room was, to my mind, quite secure. The gun racks are vertical, sorted by caliber, with ammo cans stacked neatly beneath. But also floor-to-ceiling adjustable bookshelves. A lot of those are taken up with nitro-packed food and gear, but a surprising amount of shelf space is taken up by books. Mostly reference, but some favorite literature, too.
Does seem a shame to have to hide the things that show the world who we are, but it’s in our nature to conceal with people don’t need to know.
I’ve never found it to be difficult….but maybe Ive overlooked a few. I’ve found…uhm…non-LJ: 4 locally. Include LJ folks Ive actually met, uhm……2.
But, really, theyre usually easy to spot if you know what to look for.