For you dinosaurs who have been waiting for Ruger to come out with a .45 AARP carbine, your time is now.
I am utterly fascinated that they did this in their somewhat lackluster LC Carbine pattern. You would think the PC Carbine platform would have been the first choice. I’m guessing it’s because the frame sizes were not compatible…the 9/40 versions of the PC Carbine/Charger were probably too small for the .45 (and I bet 10mm) cartridges.
Making it take .45 Glock magazines is just a good idea. Making it take a proprietary magazine of some kind would have opened another avenue for all sorts of headaches. Better to let someone else spend all the money on magazine development and production.
Other than some oddball guns made by small AR manufacturers, and the AutoOrdnance guns, there havent been any .45 ACP carbines from a major US manufacturer since the Marlin Camp Carbines from 30 years ago. (Those Marlins were great guns, by the way…but, oy, they beat their stocks up somethin’ fierce.)
Since .45 ACP is natively subsonic, I’d expect that alot of guys with .45 suppressors are gonna be really excited by this.
“.45 AARP” … (Slow clap.) Well played, CZ.
Shaking my head. “And Ruger steps on their junk again.” But I repeat myself.
Making it on the PC Carbine platform would’ve been just fine.
But in the immortal words of Captain Rex Kramer, “That’s just what they’d be expecting us to do.”
The only thing this left-handed attempt is better than, is nothing at all. Allegedly.
And I’ve still got my .45 Camp Carbine, thankyouverymuch.
Probably still would have wanted to get one of these (assuming such might ever be possible here in Califrutopia), but which is highly unlikely given that by not making this on the PC Carbine platform, just looking at the picture, this thing already checks three or four boxes (folding stock, protruding pistol grip, >10 mag cap, muzzle brake/flash hider…wonderful! Why not just cut to the chase and make it full auto, with grenade launcher, flamethrower, and a permanently attached suppressor built in?!?), any two of which make it a Califrutopian “assault rifle”, meaning the @$$holes in Sacramento will want any version legal for sale here to require complete depot-level disassembly to reload, negating the entire point of making one in the first place.
I’m sure they’ll make a CA-compliant version in a couple of years that’s a single-shot bolt-action, or some such stupidity.
If they’d built it as a .45 PC Carbine (or, wonder of wonders, simply product-improved the Marlin Camp Carbine they now own the rights to), it could have gone on the shelves unscathed tomorrow.
‘s okay though, it’s not like we’re only 10% of the entire firearms market in the country or anything.
I’m surprised they didn’t invent a proprietary magazine for it too, that sells for $97@ for extras. How they resisted that bit of bog-standard Ruger idiocy is a mystery for the ages.
I can hardly wait until they get around to fornicating up a new Marlin lever action in .45LC. In 10 or 20 years, at their current pace. They’ll probably make it require a proprietary tube for feeding, and hold 4 rounds. Or else belt-fed with a bipod. That way they can piss off cowboy action shooters and Marlin lever-action fans in one fell swoop.
I know Bill is dead, but his block-headed stupidity and market tone-deafness lives on at the company he built, and seems to be dug in there like herpes. Every once in a great while they claw their way free, but then the weight of decades of “We’ve always done it this way” practice drags them right back to 1980 all over again.
Hoping Ruger won’t screw the pooch every chance they get is like rooting for the Cubs, or voting for Republicans and expecting to get smaller government.
Thanks for living up to all my expectations, Ruger: never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity. I fart in their general direction.
Aesop, you really need to get out of there before your heart explodes from the insanity. I promise you’d sleep better- even without meds.
Oh, and Bill Ruger was the Origional Sellout on Bush1 gun ban + supported limits on hicaps. So the company is just being true to his legacy in the sense that you talk about. Here’s to BR rotting in a very hot place!
The larger point is that simply by either
a) making a PC Carbine in .45, or
b) product-improving the Marlin Camp 45 (which trademark, rights, design, and patents they now own outright)
Ruger could have had a perfectly excellent pistol-caliber carbine in by-God .45ACP, which would have been street-legal nationwide in 0 seconds.
But Ruger, thus jackholishly stoopid.
Enormous potential, enormously squandered, time after time.
I’ll leave CA when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
I’ve earned the right to see communism toppled again, and help pull the statues of Lenin and Marx down with my own hands. All the better since they’re in Berzerkeley and Excremento.
All the Russians got in 1991 was a shrug and “Oops. Our bad.”
I want to see heads on pikes.
Following. This is a needed entry into 45 acp carbine categories, and glock magazine compatible is a wise feature selling point. Some spiciness occurances out in those fema regions won’t necessarily require a “muh ar15, or muh ak47” response and side arms or compatible pistol caliber carbines will get the work done. Suppressor capable feature will enable those night shift workers to get tasks accomplished professionally with as little disruptions as possible. A fireteam of even ornery geriatrics with nothing left to loose can do some serious urban blight removal and civic cleanup activities with such a tool available. Good find Commander.
Stay mag compatible so as to stay frosty.
The geriatric can always loose a storm of .45 rounds.
Yes, and no. The idea of a suppressible .45 carbine is really nice, and I’ll admit a very minor ‘want’.
That said, it’s already been trounced nationwide by the .300 AAR AR-15 platforms.
The .300 utilizes a 220 grain bullet at subsonic velocity, only it’s an efficient design that’s accurate at a useable range. It runs on the AR platform, with all the goodness that entails. Cheap, easy to find parts of decent quality. A Manual of Arms that six year old’s can easily run. Ergonomic and easy to shoot.
The .300 is eminently suppressible, but a simple mag change puts it in ‘deer rifle’ territory in a heartbeat. In addition, it utilizes AR magazines… and by now who doesn’t have a stash of those?
I can add the new Ruger carbine to my stable for $700-800 ish when it becomes available, or I can buy an AR upper in .300aac for $299.00 with free shipping, and already have everything needed to support the platform.
say what you will but there’s a sizable hole in the pcc/pdw market. i for one have been looking for just such a weapon for home defense, etc. i want more punch than 9mm but don’t want to kill my neighbor three houses down, i kinda like that fella. the folding stock is handy for vehicular usage. the hk usc i was drooling over is fixed stock and rather lengthy for house clearing, not to mention 800 bucks higher and stuck with a 10 round stock mag at 79 bucks each. yeah, i’m an old fudd but i can shoot my punkin ball dispenser better than 98% of the young bucks can shoot their 9mm. remember, you can’t miss fast enough to win.
IDK, a 40 round stick, or 50 round drum, a Franklin binary trigger group, and you can spend money quite quickly….
45 may be natively subsonic, but it’s still pretty loud, even with a suppressor. There are some companies making 45 suppressed loads for a reason…
I do like the option of a heavier hitting weapon than 9 mm, especially sharing mags with a pistol.
Never was that thrilled over pistol caliber carbines. I’m more interested in the new SFAR in 7.62 x 51mm NATO. They could be set up for short range sniper rifles. 800 to 1000 yards. Maybe a pair set up with thermal sights for night work. At least that’s where my thinking and experience leads me.
CMMG makes some really nice AR-45 platforms but the price is in the “ouch” range. . .