Census

Wasnt it Will Rogers who said to be grateful that we didnt get all the government that we paid for?

Here’s a fascinating link from Drudge:

What many Americans don’t realize, is that census workers — from the head of the Bureau and the Secretary of Commerce (its parent agency) down to the lowliest and newest Census employee — are empowered under federal law to actually demand access to any apartment or any other type of home or room that is rented out, in order to count persons in the abode and for “the collection of statistics.”  If the landlord of such apartment or other  leased premises refuses to grant the government worker access to your living quarters, whether you are present or not, the landlord can be fined $500.00.

I’d like to see the relevant legal citations regarding that. If it’s true, its a very disturbing and little known fact about the census.

I really dont look forward to the day that some census taker demands access into my house.  I dont look forward to it for his sake, nor for my own sake when I have to explain to the wife why her coworkers were called out for a ‘loud disturbance, possibly physical’ call.

Whoops! Edited to add:

§ 223. Refusal, by owners, proprietors, etc., to assist census employees

0 thoughts on “Census

  1. Our census taker stopped by last week. She didn’t give me much crap. I said no to everything except the number of us.

    I was quite pleased with myself, thinking I pulled it off. Then my wife pointed out that I was packin’ heat. I’d carried all day and had forgotten I had it on (+1 for the PF-9).

    She had been looking at my hip a lot, I just assumed it was my dog.

  2. A census worker came by my place today. I work 3rd shift and slept in the basement “blackout” bedroom to conserve on cooling of the entire house. Woke after 5 hours to the dog whining at the bedroom door. She doesn’t like the closed off room so hangs in the living room when I sleep there. Lo and behold, a little sheet of paper was left on the screen door glass stating they had visited, what office they were from, and of course that they would be back. I wonder how they will react to my VERY grumpy form should they awaken me from sleep and I answer carrying my 870 with my pistol on my hip.

  3. First the census taker has to get past the security system maintained by Teeth and Fur Security Company, thats a 15 – 20 yd run. THEN I decide if I want to answer the door or not, sort of like in person caller ID.

    I don’t anticipate a series of followup questions from my questionare.

  4. When they came to our home I was flying my Gadsden (Don’t Tread on Me) Flag outside. I told how many people live here, nothing else. The guy started to get pushy and said the other info was important, I just closed the door and he left. Also got a fund raising letter from Bill Clinton in the mail yesterday. How the hell we got on his mailing list I don’t know. I wrote a crude message on it and sent it back. Honor our Vets this weekend!

  5. If you read the section you’ve linked to carefully, it presents an either/or scenario for compliance — the owner, lndlord, etc.n must either provide the names of the occupants or allow the census worker in to count. My son asks me all the time why, as a lawyer, I don’t know that you’d want to spend the money proving that point in court, but it definitely gives you a way of telling them you’ve complied with your obligation, so get off my property.

  6. Someone help me out here. What is the big deal with taking part in the census? It’s in the Constitution isn’t it? Seems like lots of people on the right are crazy over complying with the Constitution.

    Chill out people.

    Show me the part in the Constitution where it asks how many bathrooms I have. The Constitution does mandate a census…how many people are in an area. Ive no problem with that. The problem is with .gov going beyond “how many people live here?” and getting into other questions that, really, arent their business. I try to keep .gov out of my life as much as possible. I’ll be happy to tell them how many people live here since thats what the Constitution calls for, but anything else is unnecessary. As an aside, the census info has been used in the past for nefarious purposes…like rounding up Americans who were Japanese and shuttling them off to concentration camps. (And, yes, concentration camp is the correct term…a camp for concentrating a demographic into one area.) So the notion that the answers remain private and cant possibly be used against the respondent are obviously false. And finally, if someone doesnt want to answer the census, or feels it is intrusive and overreaching, who are you to tell them to ‘chill out’ over it?

  7. Okay, here’s the post from a computer with life-sized keyboard . . .

    If you read the section you’ve linked to carefully, it presents an either/or scenario for compliance — the owner, landlord, etc., must either provide the names of the occupants or allow the census worker in to count the number of people who reside at the location. I don’t know that you’d necessarily want to spend the money proving that point in court, but it definitely gives you a way of telling them you’ve complied with your obligation, so they need to get off your property. When he was younger, my son used to ask me why, as a lawyer, I didn’t just sue people when I knew they were doing something wrong. I explained to him that the only sure winners in a lawsuit are the lawyers — maybe one of the litigants will win money, but both lawyers definitely will. So again, I don’t know how far you’d want to push the issue, but the statute doesn’t (on its face anyway) require you to allow the census worker in.

  8. Commander Zero Sir! (You rock)
    Your answer to Ivan said it all for many of us. This weekend we pay honor to our friends, family, and fellow American’s who swore an oath to our Constitution. Many have died to protect it, while some might even die today in service to it. So Ivan, unless you are looking for a problem, Don’t Tread on Me, Us, or Our Constitution.

  9. I answered only one question on the census (how many reside at the residence) sent the census back. The census staff person came to my house last week. I watched her from my video surveillance system as I was working on an important deadline, so I didn’t have time to talk with anyone at that point. The census person stayed for about 30-35 minutes ringing the door bell & knocking on the house door. I didn’t think she would ever leave. She tried to slip something under my door somehow, but our strong winds blew it away soon after she left.
    My state sent me a letter recently, notifying me they were conducting their own census at random & they would be calling me soon. The letterhead on the letter & envelope we received appear forged. They called & I informed them that I wouldn’t be answering any questions about myself or anyone else whom resides with me as the letter they sent me was forged & I immediately hung up. It appears there are scams being implemented.

  10. I simply wrote 2 with our names and left the rest blank. My ethnicity and financial information is none of the .govs business. 65 pounds of teeth and claws will answer the door for me so i am not to worried about them stopping by for the rest.

  11. Americans need to come to their “senses” and vote every current elected politician out of office. Every last one of them.
    Vote in new people not connected to the old establishment.
    Sure, some good people will be voted out, but the good ones will keep going on regardless.
    The one that I would hate to see go the most is Ron Paul.

  12. I don’t care about the questions. I answered them, as there was not a question there that the .gov doesn’t already have in the database somewhere.

    Number of people? Constitutionally specified as the purpose behind the census
    Is this home owned or rented? Already in the county land records, no big deal.
    What is your phone number? I didn’t answer this one.
    Name, age, and sex of people living here- already send that to the IRS when I file my taxes.
    Race and ethnicity: Uh, they have that from your SSN, which is already associated with this address from your tax return
    Income level? Again, this is on your tax return

    So unless you are in the Wesley Snipes tax protester club, they already know all of this information about, anyway.

    Unless you have some need to tweak and PO the census workers, and risk being prosecuted, I see no reason NOT to answer them. The government has the info anyway, and it just isn’t worth the hassle.

  13. Show me the part in the Constitution where it asks how many bathrooms I have. The Constitution does mandate a census…how many people are in an area.

    Mr. Paranoid, those questions are optional. You know that, and if you don’t you’re ignorant. They use that information for a myriad of things, such as future federal funds to be spent on plumbing/sewer, etc. You don’t want to answer them, don’t. But I have news for you, they have that information down at Building and Safety or the Hall of Public records.

    I try to keep .gov out of my life as much as possible. I’ll be happy to tell them how many people live here since thats what the Constitution calls for, but anything else is unnecessary.

    And no one is saying you HAVE to respond to the other questions.

    As an aside, the census info has been used in the past for nefarious purposes…like rounding up Americans who were Japanese and shuttling them off to concentration camps. (And, yes, concentration camp is the correct term…a camp for concentrating a demographic into one area.)

    If you really believe that they will use this data for something as bad as rounding people up then don’t participate in the census. If you’re the new Rosa Parks of the anti-government movement I take my hat off to you-I suspect you aren’t though. Are you willing to go go jail to prove your point? Doubt it. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though. God knows the 2A movement needs some people with the balls of Rosa Parks. Until then, just a lot of hot air.

    And finally, if someone doesnt want to answer the census, or feels it is intrusive and overreaching, who are you to tell them to ‘chill out’ over it?

    Who am I? I’m somone who is disturbed to see the paranoia emenating from the right-wing I am a memeber of. Both left and right have some bad apples in their midsts, such as “Sam” or “Vinosaur” who get off on intimidating women with their pistols. We need to remind them that some census worker isn’t a target for an agent of Satan. They’re just trying to make a living in these hard times.

    Yes, the nut-balls need to chill-out and put their 870s away. It’s about the constitution.

    Any more friggen questions????

  14. So, Ivan, did you look at the list of the “sponsors” of the census? Care to bet how much of your info gets filtered through THEM before the .gov gets their grubby paws on it?

  15. Oh, and Ivan, did you know that census workers are considered Fed Law officers? Seems one of them here in CA got upset over a situation like Sam related.( BTW, you’re a little over the top stating that he enjoyed intimidating her, as he forgot he was wearing it) So, worker calls manager, who at some later point calls in a “man with a gun” to the locals. About 2 hours after the visit, the cops storm the house and kill a 67 year old grandmother who is responding to all the noise and yelling at 9:30 pm. Then the guy (son?) is arrested for threatening a federal agent (census worker). Details are still somewhat fuzzy.
    And you wonder why people don’t want to deal with the .gov?

  16. Ivan,
    First of all, all census workers have know that when they take on the job of census taker, they are not going to be very popular. So if people walk around with an 870 or a 45, so be it.
    As far as what they use the data for, they can use it for anything that they like, such as rounding people up for camps, coming to take your gold away, etc, etc. Both of these things have happened. There are those in the government would would like to come and take those 870s away as well.
    As far as people being paranoid, the last 2 years have not been good ones for putting people in a good mood.
    Crooks in Wall Street, crooks in politics all over, job losses, a current occupier of the White House who probably is doing so while not being in compliance of the US Constitution. There are many reasons for people to be grumpy.
    As far as people chilling out, in my view Americans have stayed pretty calm considering what has been going on.
    Under the present situation, anyone who takes on a census workers role should be smart enough to know that they are going to be the lightning rod for a lot of anger.
    I am in no way saying the census folks should be made to feel fear, but on the other hand they should expect it.
    Actually the folks walking around with pistols and 870s etc, are probably what has kept Americans free thus far.
    History, (stalin, hitler, mao) has shown us what happens when a government not longer fears its people and the people fear the government.
    However, maybe census taker today, maybe government stool pigeon / informants tomorrow.
    Worked for stalin.

  17. Will // May 29, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Oh, and Ivan, did you know that census workers are considered Fed Law officers?

    All the more reason not to take a hand-full of stupid pills and piss them off, dontcha think?

    .( BTW, you’re a little over the top stating that he enjoyed intimidating her, as he forgot he was wearing it)

    Woa! He “forgot”? Shouldn’t be carrying if he’s that forgetful. Rule one about carrying is to be cognizant of said carry. Forgetting = accidents.

    And he was boasting about it. Sad.

    So, worker calls manager, who at some later point calls in a “man with a gun” to the locals. About 2 hours after the visit, the cops storm the house and kill a 67 year old grandmother who is responding to all the noise and yelling at 9:30 pm. Then the guy (son?) is arrested for threatening a federal agent (census worker). Details are still somewhat fuzzy.

    Are you talking about the bike story? If that is the story you’re talking about the guy was stupid. The Census worker was a tool, but he was rude and stupid. Do you throw people’s bikes around? Duh.

    Are you trying to say that we should treat all census workers that way?

    And you wonder why people don’t want to deal with the .gov?

  18. [b]Mr. Paranoid, those questions are optional. You know that, and if you don’t you’re ignorant. Yes, the nut-balls need to chill-out and put their 870s away. It’s about the constitution.[/b]

    Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean the bastards aren’t out to get me. I’ll put away my guns, when the Secret Service does. And Ivan, if you don’t like the comments/though processes/attitudes here, you are free to move on to another blog, or keep you comments to yourself.

    Thank you and have a nice day.

  19. Just because I’m paranoid doesn’t mean the bastards aren’t out to get me. I’ll put away my guns, when the Secret Service does. And Ivan, if you don’t like the comments/though processes/attitudes here, you are free to move on to another blog, or keep you comments to yourself.

    Ah yes, typical liberal. Silence the dissenter. Some of you guys are great, and some of you are so far right you’ve become leftists.

    I’m sure Commander zero doesn’t want an echo chamber where everyone agrees with him on all things.

    You though seem uncomfortable with me because I point out that the king has no clothes!

    And you to have a good Memorial Day.

  20. Although I agree that private info should remain private, and that the gov would sell us up or down the river if the info becomes profitable, I appreciate the census for one reason: I was able to find out all kinds of info about my past relatives (spouses, children, etc) thanks to past census info. Now I realize that census info wasn’t exactly highly priced info back in the 1800′s, and you actually had to work for a living if you were running a scam (unlike fake letterhead run through a laser printer) but I’m thankful that some folks back in the day filled out both numbers and names on the form.

    That being said, you don’t need my phone number if you’re going to send someone to the house like it was some policy that *any* unanswered questions lead to a visit. I’m not all that thrilled with the racial questions either, but the last one really doesn’t need to be there. Either you live there or ya don’t. Cripes.

    Woa! He “forgot”? Shouldn’t be carrying if he’s that forgetful. Rule one about carrying is to be cognizant of said carry.

    I fail to see how someone who is less than cognizant about carrying while relaxing in their own home shouldn’t be carrying. If you carry at home, answer the door and are engaging in conversation (on your own property) and nothing sets off alarm bells (its not a zombie or a guy with a knife demanding your money) what’s wrong with being relaxed?

  21. Oddly enough, I got no form, no visit, no phone calls. Everyone else knows I’m here. The census knew I was here last time (they sent some poor lady who had to hike 1KM down my road in 90-degree heat. I had to give her a ride back up for fear she’d have a heart attack.)
    I’m just as happy. I do believe that it’s disingenuous to assume that the optional questions are for our benefits and they shouldn’t have been on the form.
    Better the Census Bureau dropping by than the BATFE. The Census Bureau record has the lower body count.

  22. Hope this isn’t too far off topic.
    Near twenty years ago, I woke to someone knocking on the front door after midnite. I grabbed a 5 shot snubbie and opened the door, after looking through the peephole. Kept the gun behind my leg, as the elastic waistband of my sweats would not hold it. After waking my roommate, I sent her up the stairs. I heard her say to him “he had a gun in his hand!”. His reply was “if I had answered the door at this time of night, I’d have a gun, too!”.

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